More Armigerous Saints

Saint Bonaventure, Cardinal-Bishop of Albano. As a Franciscan he bore simply the arms associated with the Order. He had also served as Minister General of the Order of Friars Minor. The artwork here is by the late Michael McCarthy of Australia.

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8 thoughts on “More Armigerous Saints

      1. John

        Um I mean where did he get the blazon or description of the arms? How did he know that Saint Bonaventure used this arms?

      2. guyselvester Post author

        I don’t know. McCarthy included it in his magnum opus “Armoria Collegii Cardinalium”. I know that was a heavily researched work and that he had access to the Vatican Archives as part of his research. So, the scholarship of that work is rather reliable.

      3. John

        Well I guess that I won’t be able to upload a representation at the Wikimedia Commons for Wikipedia. I’m afraid that someone might nominate it for deletion. I uploaded a representation of the coat of arms of Msgr. Georg Gänswein, the Prefect of the Papal Household impaled with the arms of Francis referenced/sourced to your website. Then the one who requested it for deletion stated your post was a hoax or suggestion. Did the archbishop really change the dexter side of his arms to the arms of Pope Francis or is it still impaled with the arms of the Pope emeritus?

      4. guyselvester Post author

        Why would the arms of Abp. Gänswein be a “hoax” or a suggestion? You presented your source, a website maintained by someone who knows a heck of a lot more about heraldry than the idiots who maintain Wikimedia and that’s not good enough? McCarthy’s scholarly work on the coats of arms of all the cardinals of the Holy Roman Church would also not be good enough? It’s sounds like what they’re looking for isn’t independent verification but verification that they like.

        It is the regular and normal practice for the Prefect of the Pontifical Household to impale his personal arms with those of the REIGNING Supreme Pontiff of whose household he is Prefect. If the pope changes and the Prefect remains on to serve the new pontiff then he impales his arms with those of the new pope. The late Cardinal Martin, who served three successive popes, changed the achievement of his arms three times.

        However, it is the ignorant and the stupid who assessed that Abp. Gänswein stole all of Pope Benedict XVI’s coat of arms and somehow incorporated it into his own arms as some kind of tribute to his boss. Not only would this NOT be permitted it would also constitute poor heraldry. It is not what he did. People who think this know nothing about heraldry, have no concept of what marshaling two or more arms on the same shield means and are the ones in need of a website like this one!

        How nice that STUPID people have sway over what does and does not make it onto Wikimedia. That’s really helpful.

        The Prefect of the Pontifical Household ALWAYS impales his arms with those of the CURRENT pope whom he serves. Full stop. Not conjecture; not maybe; it happens. He does this in the same way many bishops impale their personal arms with those of their diocese. The personal arms of Abp. Gänswein consist of the dragon and star only. The half of the shield bearing the pope’s arms AREN’T HIS! They don’t “become” part of his coat of arms. Rather, they are a separate coat of arms displayed together on one shield WITH his personal arms to illustrate heraldically the relationship between the two.

        Whoever claimed this was a hoax or a suggestion is an idiot. I think it’s really incomprehensible that the ignorant on a particular topic presume to lecture and doubt those of us who have made this a life-long study. (I’m referring to the one who doubted you, not to you) Why should they bother to seek out this information on the internet if they’re just going to disbelieve it when they find it? While not everything on the internet is to be believed I wonder by what authority they doubted the change in Gänswein’s arms? It seems that those who asserted it was untrue bear the burden of proof.

        Anyway, Gänswein most certainly changed his heraldic achievement as do ALL Prefects under similar circumstances and I AM a reliable source for that, as is McCarthy’s book for the arms of St. Bonaventure.

    1. guyselvester Post author

      Yes. Originally, cardinals’ hats used varying numbers of tassels. The cardinal’s hat having 30 tassels as we know it now only became an established heraldic custom in the NINETEENTH century. St. Bonaventure lived considerably longer ago than that.

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